Let's count the guillotines.....

The facts and photos are rather known but dispersed.

France:
1. one or two(?) in Fresnes prison.The photo from cover book of F.Opie
http://www.historydirect.co.uk/covers/075094403X.jpg
2. mobile revolutionary in Musée Maurice Dufresne Azay-le-Rideau
http://les.guillotines.free.fr/musse%20azay.htm
3.one or more(?) Fontaine-de-Vaucluse(Mr Meysssonier's property)
http://site.voila.fr/guillotine/plangeneral.jpg

Algieria:
1. Jihad&War Museum in Algier
http://www.arab.net/algeria/aa_museums.htm

Belgium:
1. Museum in Gent
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/d0b95/
2.Gruthuuse Museum Brughes(me and widow)
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gilotyna3to3.jpg

Holland:
1.Limburg Museum in Venlo(photo from Fabricius www.site)
http://www.metaphor.dk/guillotine/Pages/Venlo2.html

Luxembourg:
1.Museum National of History and Art
http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lux2ln7.jpg

Switzerland:
1. Museum of History-Lucerne
http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swissmade5st.jpg
2.Sissach-Henker Museum(genuine or 1:1 model ?)
http://www.henkermuseum.ch/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=10

Vietnam:
1.Hanoi : Ho La Prison Museum
http://static.flickr.com/41/85078634_d94c0d06b0.jpg?v=0
2.Saigon: The War Museum
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hanoilh9.jpg

Czech Republic:
1. Prague-Pankrac Prison( nazi fallbeil)
http://www.jedinak.cz/foto/smrt/gilotina01.jpg

New Caledonia:
1. Bourail Museum
http://newcaledonia.jp/br/museee_bourail.html

Germany:
1. Prison Museum Ludwigsburg
http://www.stuttgart-tourist.de/media/Ludwigsburg_StrafvollMuseum.jpg

Italy :
1.Roma(manaia style) Museo Criminologico
http://www.museocriminologico.it/ghigliottina_uk.htm

Sweden:
1.Stockholm-Nordiska Museet
http://www.nordiskamuseet.se/makeframeset.asp?sUrl=http%3A//www.nordiskamuseet.se/publication.asp%3Fpublicationid%3D1112&Cat=&catName=&publicationid=1112

French Guyana:
1.Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni (in very poor condition ) :-((((((
http://www.imageplus.name/index.php?action=galerie&subaction=photo&id_album=1511&id_photo=15397&page=1&start=0&PHPSESSID=960f2dcdde13ae895709b9aacedac111

Saint Pierre and Miquelon:
1." the widow of St. Pierre" (?)-State Museum
http://www.st-pierre-et-miquelon.com/english/histoire.php

Please corect my informations (and add a new- if possible)

Well, if this ridiculous article is to be believed, there are 30,000 in the United States alone.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/guillotines.htm

Nothing like a little unfounded religious paranoia and fear-mongering.

You forgot Scotland, which had a "guillotine" before France etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

HalifaxGibbet a écrit:

Well, if this ridiculous article is to be believed, there are 30,000 in the United States alone.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/guillotines.htm

Nothing like a little unfounded religious paranoia and fear-mongering.

Sure!!!! America is a great country with a big possibilities

- Add two more in the Musee des Prisons in Fontainebleau (Brought back from from Reunion and from Guadeloupe) this was confirmed in writing by the museum. The Reunion one is an older style machine (per Sylvain)

- The "two from Fresnes" are no longer in Fresnes but probably stored in a Fort somewhere near Paris.

- The one from the Henker Museum in Sissach is a reproduction.

- Meyssonnier has three or at least parts of three. All are Berger-style machines.

- There were many more fallbeils in Eastern Europe. Poland - Vienna - Eastern Germany. I doubt they were destroyed but maybe not exhibited given the terrible time they evoque. I have seen modern pictures of one said to be the "Brandenburg Fallbeil".

- At least one in Tussaud's Museum in London, but maybe it is a reconstruction?

- One authentic blade displayed at the Conciergerie Museum in Paris

Boisdejustice a écrit:

- Add two more in the Musee des Prisons in Fontainebleau (Brought back from from Reunion and from Guadeloupe) this was confirmed in writing by the museum. The Reunion one is an older style machine (per Sylvain)

Do you know if the guillotines from Fontainebleau are exposed for public?


- There were many more fallbeils in Eastern Europe. Poland - Vienna - Eastern Germany. I doubt they were destroyed but maybe not exhibited given the terrible time they evoque. I have seen modern pictures of one said to be the "Brandenburg Fallbeil".


Yesterday I made a call to Museum of Martyrology in Pozna?(Posen)-Poland.
Indeed- they have one nazi fallbeil in exposition(used during german occupation in Pozna? Mly?ska st. prison )


- One authentic blade displayed at the Conciergerie Museum in Paris

You're right the blade and a scaffold stairs(?)
http://ecrits-vains.com/ballades/ballade7.htm

The guillotines at Fontainebleau are visible to the public but not assembled. The museum is only open one day a week (or less) and for special pre-arranged tours.

From the photo on your link I can see the Conciergerie blade appears to be from a Berger guillotine! It is not the typical shape of the blade from a 1792-94 model...
I saw it a long time ago but did not know such technical detail back then, but now it is pretty clear it is from a rather new guillotine. The museum guide claimed it was the blade that took the King's head... not likely.

Boisdejustice a écrit:

The guillotines at Fontainebleau are visible to the public but not assembled. The museum is only open one day a week (or less) and for special pre-arranged tours.

From the photo on your link I can see the Conciergerie blade appears to be from a Berger guillotine! It is not the typical shape of the blade from a 1792-94 model...
I saw it a long time ago but did not know such technical detail back then, but now it is pretty clear it is from a rather new guillotine. The museum guide claimed it was the blade that took the King's head... not likely.

The second blade(more revolutionary?) is in Police Museum
http://www.tim.lu/photo_album/paris/photos.html

Excellent work!! I have been looking for a list like this for a long time!!
Would not a book and /or documentary on the history of these guillotines be a great idea? Kind of a "Rough Guide to Guillotines" taking the reader around Europe and the world?

Can I make a tentative suggestion for another "Lets count the guilltoines" topic. Lets count the people who have their own models of the guillotine.
Michael has lots of course as does Robert Opie and if I may blow my own trumpet by directing you to one of mine on youtube...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geW3uKdgCyI

Comments and criticism are welcome but please note: This was inspired by a Hammer Horror and a set designer who was using his imagination!!

Reunion guillotine from Musee National des Prisons

http://www.criminocorpus.cnrs.fr/IMG/jpg/accueil_expo_1.jpg

1.Vienna-The crime Museum(nazi)
2. Kiev War Museum(nazi from Munich)
3. O?wi?cim(Auschwitz-Birkenau museum (nazi)

Is there a link to the one at the Auschwitz museum?

There is one Tegel machine exhibited at the Pancraz prison museum in Prague
There are two German fallbeils exhibited at the Ludwigsberg prison museum (A Tegel machine and an older fallbeil)
There is also the Brandenburg fallbeil (Pre-tegel design)
The Bruchsaler fallbeil, which is a completely different design, but I don't know where it is (I have a picture of it)
And also the Wolfenbuettel fallbeil but also unknown location.

1.Unfortunately not. Only information from newspaper
http://i83.imagethrust.com/images/3WPG/view-image/katowice.html
but I'm not quite sure if fallbeil from picture above is the Katowice fallbeil
2.Now, in execution room Wolfenbuttel is small Memory-Museum but probably without fallbeil
3.I have confirmed information(from museum office) that in Museum of Martyrology in Poznan(central-west Poland) is another nazi fallbeil on display(used in Poznan prison during nazi occupation)

There are short films of the Posnan and Pancraz fallbeils on the holocaust site film archives. Taken in 1945 it appears.

Hi .
Is it possible to see these films online, or do you need to visit the place?
Have you got the web adress of it, by chance?
Thanks.

Here is a link (The Spielberg archives):

http://resources.ushmm.org/film/search/index.php

Search for "guillotine". There are 3 or 4 videos in the archive.

and + one "new" guillotine from Hanoi
Congratulations Michael !!!!!
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/viewPhoto?uname=dutchboypete&aid=5046839779681862977&iid=5046844048879356530

http://www.prov-liege.be/culture/musee/mvw.htm

Any pictures of this mysterious "widow" from Liege? I don't recall ever seeing one.

Hi Piotr.

What have you exactly seen in this museum?

Henri a écrit:

Hi Piotr.

What have you exactly seen in this museum?

Nothing.
My information is only from internet.
Below is(probably)photo guillotine from Liege
http://www.forez-info.com/encyclopedie/histoire/claude_javogues_(1759_-_1796)_408.html

I guess the guillotine from Liege isn't the Javogues machine
Maybe the Chantal or Foundrail couls help us....

Something wrong with the link in the post above. The link text is correct but you need to copy it to the Explorer bar and hit "Go". Clicking on the link directly sends you to the "missing page" display.

http://www.forez-info.com/encyclopedie/histoire

[quote="Boisdejustice"]Something wrong with the link in the post above. The link text is correct but you need to copy it to the Explorer bar and hit "Go". Clicking on the link directly sends you to the "missing page" display.

http://www.forez-info.com/encyclopedie/histoire/claude_javogues_(1759_-_1796)_408.html[/quote
Yes.You're right.This is the best way to open it.

Bonsoir,
Quand j'ai vu la guillotine sur le lien que vous avez indiqué je me suis rappellé des photos que je gardais depuis longtemps; les voici:



La gravure du livre de Delarue, ci-dessous, se réfere aussi à la guillotine de Liège; elle est représenté assez fidèlement si l'on compare avec la photo de la Carte Postale.

J'ai depuis longtemps une vieille photo de la guillotine de "Luttich" et je viens de comprendre que Luttich doit etre le nom Allemand de Liege puisque c'est cette meme guillotine, d'ailleurs la meme photo qui est intitulee "carte postale" ci-dessus.

La lame a probablement disparut puisque le petit bout de tole qu'on voit sur ce mouton ne peut pas passer pour une lame. Elle aurait assomme les "clients" et leur aurait fait une encoche dans le cou sans les decapiter...